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Diese Frage ist John Cage gewidmetDedicated to John Cage.
Kommentar von Bart Lootsma | 25.06.2014
Silence only works as a carefully enscenated interlude in a world of noise and expectations of noise. It can never be a general condition.
Kommentar von Michaela Maier | 25.06.2014
da stelle ich mir ein Zengarten vor
Kommentar von Julie Hoffman | 28.06.2014
Silence in Architecture = silence in music = ground in figure/ground = the stone that is taken away to reveal the sculpture. It is the frame, it is the space that allows the form to emerge. It allows the visual noise to be seen. There are endless kinds of silence, in architecture and all around us. Silence first, then the insertion of sound.
Kommentar von Alexandra Staub | 28.06.2014
Für mich ist es der tiefe Schatten. Silence in Architecture is deep shadow.
Kommentar von Sokratis Georgiadis | 28.06.2014
hier könnten wir uns, so hoffe ich, leicht einigen: das was man halten
sollte, wenn man nichts zu sagen hat - in der Architektur, aber auch darüber
Kommentar von Luigi Cosenza | 07.07.2014
is the music...
Kommentar von Petra Block | 07.07.2014
can´t verify it. Ich höre die Stille
Kommentar von Trent Bromley | 07.07.2014
~ . . . dead silent or living silent architecture?
Kommentar von Florian Stocker | 07.07.2014
@bart thx... nature has "horror vacui" and man creates a temporal void by listening?
Kommentar von Aldo Nolli | 07.07.2014
Silence in architecture is an empty space?
Or better, silence is space, in his virtual (abstract) assumption?
Kommentar von Masumi Mizoguchi | 07.07.2014
I posted 間"ma" concept at forest yesterday..where " the identity of the place is as much in the mind of the beholder as in its physical characteristics." I know a few places, including architecture makes me silent. But does it architecture ...make me silent or is it elements (stone, light, wood, air or slight sound of water) makes me this effect? or I can be totally silent à la gare de metro parisien... Can we say "this buidling is silent?".. sure but it requires someone to feel that way..is it him silent or a building??
Masumi: maybe the sense of silence has to do with space, or with a particular atmosphere or imagine.
I understand your feeling very well, because it happens to me too. I love also silent spaces, and the silence of spaces.
The unique feeling w...hen you are alone in a church, or in a big hall, and your percept the silence when it is "disturbed" by a sound like shoesteps in a big reverberating space.
I love in old schools with wide high reverbering corridors, the silence of space, after the end of lessons with the chaotic polychromatic "noise" of the childrens after school. This moment when the school is empty and then, the silence is interrupted by the steps of one person (the teacher?)....
Today, in our pardox World ruled by the totalitarism of commercial based NORMS in construction, whe are often not allowed to build spaces with this particular acustic characteristics, since the NORM says, these are bed.
Thinking about a World where the individual responsability is reduced and all is subordinated to NORMS and RULES who limit the individual genious and "good sense".
(Aldo Nolli hopes that his english was not TOOO BAD....and his thoughts are understandable)
Sense is not to understand but to feel. So I feel very well what you feel. Thank you for sharing your senses and I'm so happy to know an architect keeps these fundamental sense. btw.. I was at musée de Grenoble the other day and their conte...mporary sections was "sous-sol" ;-), while going under the beautiful slopes, I faced undemolished, antique quality huge stone wall in front of me... and "silence" transcended to me right there... Musée de Grenoble is a superb architecture but it was this stone wall which was probably not permitted to demolish for archaeologicall reason, gave me a sense of silence... so that's why I'm asking is it architecture or is it elements.. but you are right.. it is a sense of space which containing this wall in certain way... then after that, there is a candle of Richter.. I had a beautiful silent moment.
@Aldo oh yes, since you are using poetic language...
In Ticino you can hear almost everywhere the sound of the highway N1, Milano-Zurich, wich goes along the valley.
So you get a sort of assuefaction of this continous sound, and you even notice it. You get conscience of this sond when you reac...h a place, where the highway-continuo is not present. And you get a special feeling of beauty and serenity in that silence.
Kommentar von Marietta Helen Andreas | 07.07.2014
Sic: Schweigen oder Stille???
Also the silence of big spaces is very strong.
Or the feeling of sound penetrating across openings in the walls of quiet rooms. It's similar to the feeling of sunlight filtering across the close blinds and the curtains of a room, when you c...an see the light materialized by the highlighted dust in the room
tacet = er/sie/es schweigt/ he/she/it is silent...
Kommentar von Cristina Dreifuss | 07.07.2014
I don't want to read the other comments before expressing what was my first thought: John Pawson.
How to explain in English....
If you enter a room and your heart stops to beat for a moment - you keep your breath - and stand there in silence... - impressed by a calming architecture that makes you speechless by its beauty and its asthetic charisma or vibrancy - that's silence in architecture for me. And the first connection of these thoughts were my memories of John Pawsons architecture...
This happens to me entering the Pantheon :-)
Oh yes! This I do understand too.
Kommentar von Claudia Núñez del Prado | 07.07.2014
Silence in architecture I guess it depends of us. Go into a space an feeling all the designer wants to tell us because, always designers want to say something, always, at least in my case...Silence is go to a big and high building and to li...sten the wind, feeling in our faces, close your eyes and feel no more. For me silence in architecture but is very personal is my piano, the room, has a special room at my home, it is very important to me and start to play it lke a sea of sensations come to me...BUT IT IS VERY PERSONAL :-). In english I am running...
Kommentar von Thomas Drexel | 07.07.2014
Sehr geehrter Herr Stocker,
Stille in der Architektur – das ist das Ergebnis demütiger Auseinandersetzung des Planers mit dem Objekt seiner Arbeit – Ort, Landschaft/Stadt-Landschaft, Menschen, Räume. Nicht schon zu Anfang... dynamisch Ärmel hochkrempeln und Großes gestalten wollen, ohne geschaut und gehört zu haben. Und dann überlegen: Wie lässt sich Stille bewahren oder herstellen? Durch eine Formensprache und eine Materialwahl, die nicht nach vordergründigen Effekten heischt, sondern größte Klarheit anstrebt. Und akustisch durch die geschickte Situierung, Drehung, Öffnung/Schließung, das Spiel mit Innen- und Außenraum. Und auch dadurch, einfach mal Natur und bestehendes Gebautes nicht zu verändern.
Sehr gut ausgedrückt....
"Calmness" in structure of material induces silence in visual perception
Kommentar von John DeFazio | 07.07.2014
On Silence and Light--
"Silence is the unmeasurable or that which has not yet come to be... the unmeasurable is the force that propels the creative spirit toward the measurable, to the Light. When the inspired has reached that which is, that... which known, he has reached the Light. Eloquently expressing the architect's passion for design is the of feeling at the beginning at the threshold where Silence and Light meet. Silence, the unmeasurable, desire to be. Desire to express, the source of new need, meets Light, the measurable, giver of all presence, by will, by law, the measure of thing already made, at a threshold which is inspiration, the sanctuary of art, the treasury of shadow.-- Louis I. Kahn
...the treasury of shadow...~*
Do you know the lines of Kate Bush (Hello Earth / Hounds of Love):
"tiefer, tiefer irgendwo in der Tiefe gibt es ein Licht"
("deeper, deeper, somewhere in the depth there is a light.")
Sorry jus a wild association chain.
And John, what says John?
It is interesting to me that there are two, very different, concepts of Silence being discussed here. One is experiential and phenomenal (the architectural silence we may experience at Chartres or the Pantheon ... the other is conceptual...... as a precondition that has yet to come into being. (This can be for architecture, but can be seen as more as a precondition for all the arts and even being itself). Kahn’s understanding of silence is interesting to me, for it seems somewhere in between the two... and, in a way, very profound-- for it implies that in the process of making architecture we are making the invisible visible, and silence speak. Silence in this sense is primordial-- a mystery from which architecture (and being human) emerge. The silence we experience in architecture therefore is the “Silence before being” made present.
Yes indeed, Sorkratis put in a provacant direction by saying, "silence is what one should keep, if you have nothing to say"!
So is Minimalism sometimes speechless...?
We are fighting with "ratio et animus" again.
Well I try to be a good midwif...e, as Sokrates (mind the e) put it some milleniums ago in "Maieutics", wait and see...
Yes John. It's very interesting - there seem to be different understandings of silence in architecture. One of the pictures hasn't to do anything about silence to me.... And it's worth to research to find out why there is so much about light and shadow which I think is not the most important to me..... I have to think this over...
May be the question was put in a wrong way?
Wodurch wird "Stille" in der Architektur ausgedrückt? Es ist das zögernde Berührtsein das uns erfasst, wenn wir einen Raum betreten, der uns schlagartig mit Erstaunen erfüllt und uns schweigen lässt, uns in diese Tiefe eindringen lässt - in... das Bewusstsein, etwas Wunderbares zu spüren, etwas, dass uns dank seiner Schönheit staunen lässt, uns auffordert, zu "erspüren" was uns sprachlos gemacht hat. Das uns für einen Moment in der rapiden Geschwindigkeit der Welt, in der wir leben - verharren lässt. Um diese kostbare, verlangsamte Zeit, die die Stille eines Anblicks, eines Raumeindruck uns ermöglicht, schweigend auszukosten.
Sorry, but I can't say this in English.
Kommentar von Ryan Flener | 07.07.2014
silence in architecture lends itself to the discourse of touch and the enhancement of senses. while this may be both trivial and literal to deafness, it does not necessarily indulge in that specific realm. moreover ...silence is most experienced in simple forms and majestic landscapes, formally produced from landscape painting and the transformation to modern architecture.
thomas moran's "grand canyon of the yellowstone" provides this silence in architecture even though no building exists within it. the belly of water and the visual presence of geologic time create a silence unlike any other, as if the noise from the falls creates it. like shooting a gun, the first round rings your ear, everything stops, but the noise continues. we look for silence in architecture in ruins for example, where a something is frozen in moving time and a divine intervention might take place. boullees cenotaph provides this experience in the representation of a celestial body, however it is also frozen in place and does not move, thus we can begin to understand silence as non architectural, but rather experiential and much more complex.
"What is silence in Architecture?"
Marietta's comment "If you enter a room and your heart stops to beat for a moment - you keep your breath - and stand there in silence - impressed by a calming architecture that makes you speechless by its ...beauty and its asthetic charisma or vibrancy - that's silence in architecture for me. And the first connection of these thoughts were my memories of John Pawsons architecture..."
I totally agree of this feeling and I'm lucky enough that it also did happen to me several occasion in my life,(kyoto temple especially) although this effect of "encounter" to silent vibration can be reproduced at the moment I encounter with Richter's candle.. the silence its propagate to the surroundings and to a viewer amazingly. but it must be contained also in a structure which withhold this silent vibration.. but if there is no Richter there, probably I do not consider the space silent as although simplified and excellent lighting, the space structure was rather complicated..
so.. what is silence in architecture to me is not the moment of the encounter but... some longer time span.. I stayed a while then architecture as a container start to withhold silence as a content including my existence or others.. that even shut down other noises and we focus only to the senses which maintain and amplify this sense of silence.. like.. the container almost naturally force us to rather see the light coming from outside and make us close our ears not to hear sound of heels... the container gave us a focus...
Well.. I wish it is "feel" able ;-)
Kommentar von Marietta Helen Andreas | 08.07.2014
Yes Masumi. This is what I added in german (sorry): The pause you take within these rapid days - staying in that silence, slowing down, calming down, keeping up this impression - wonderful moments in life.
I'll try to use Babelfish (thanks John!) and hope my german expressions may be a little understood:
Whereby " Stille" in architecture is expressed? It is seized by that hesitating affect-affecting if we enter an area, which suddenly fulfills... us with astonishment and lets us be silent, lets us penetrate into this depth - into consciousness to feel something marvelous requests us something that owing to its beauty lets us be astonished, to " erspüren" which made us speechless. For one moment in the rapid speed of the world, in which we live - to remain silent. In order to this precious, slowed down time, which is made possible by the silence of a sight or space impression, to out-cost being silent. "erspüren" = to sense, to perceive
Kommentar von Masumi Mizoguchi | 08.07.2014
beautifully said Marietta. btw.. I love a german word "betrachten" which seems impossible to translate in any other language but.. more or less " to make pregnant by giving an object your undivided attention".The space makes me feel the und...ivided attention and intention of the architect for the silence : silence was conceived, kept in the belly of the architect ;-) and given a birth... so this silent withhold the affect, the depth, marvelous senses and the silence is living in this space.. Trent brilliantly said way above " living silent architecture." ;-)
Kommentar von Aldo Nolli | 08.07.2014
Is "betrachten" not to observe? Osservare in italian?
Yes. To observe is not bad as translation for "betrachten"!
Today in the afternoon - driving in my car - I thought: Silence in Architecture might also come up as a feeling when touching a wonderful surface ....2.2.2011
I learned word betrachten in the therapy context ;-) In Jung's active imagination, it was decoded ainsi.
Kommentar von Robert Thomsen | 08.07.2014
Lieber Herr Stocker,
ich möchte den Versuch unternehmen zu beweisen das es Stille in der Architektur nicht geben kann, sehr wohl aber Lautlosigkeit. Die Unterscheidung zwischen Stille und Lautlosigkeit ist das Fundament ...der Erklärung. Stille ist dann wenn nichts mehr spricht, nichts mehr sich bewegt, denn schon die Bewegung eines Grashalms erzeugt einen Laut und somit auch die Verwitterung der Gebäudehülle, der Behausung. Nur das dies für uns lautlos von statten geht. Ich sehe darin viele ,tiefere Ebenen des Denkens über das Gebaute, die Architektur mit ihren verschiedenen Interpretationsmöglichkeiten.
Die Stille der Architektur entspricht einem Stück von John Cage, Silence; eine CD die 30 Minuten läuft auf der nichts zu hören ist. Eine architektur der Stille wäre demnach eine Architektur die unsichtbar ist, vielleicht die schönste, anrührenste,poetischste Architektur die es gibt,denn sie kann unsere visuelle Wahrnehmung nicht verletzen.
Gruß Robert Thomsen
Kommentar von Florian Stocker | 08.07.2014
52 Entries, and now it seems like a little pause.
Thank you very much, you made such beautiful and passionate contributions. I learned a lot. I try to phrase my learning, which comes along a bit dry, but may be it is a little bit of a summa...ry:
Nature is not silent, but we can remain silent
Architecture as "second creation" can not be silent if it is relevant
Silence is created by us as a void in time when we listen
Architecture can stage this momentum
Architecture can be an observatory tool for the horror vacui of nature
Architecture can advance us to listen to the surroundingMehr anzeigen
Kommentar von Urs Wolf | 08.07.2014
@Masumi and Aldo: I talked about the word "betrachten" with my british neighbours. In fact it's right, that "to observe" is: "beobachten", not "betrachten". So there doesn't really seem to be an english word as Masumi said. You could translate it with a mixture of words... "Stand there in silence and watch while thinking about it".
Kommentar von John DeFazio | 08.07.2014
I use to half joke with my students that architecture "is a place where you go to have an architectural experience"... (an art experience in building form). Of course the next question would be "what is an art experience?" I would say that ...it is a deep insight into the nature of things... your relation to things... and in the case, of architecture, your relationship to the world around us and even in creation itself. I do not think that it is experienced in architecture solely through silent contemplation though... we experience it in movement and action as well. Architecture "is the art that we use" and I think we don't understand it just through the eyes but with the whole of our bodies and our mind... contemplation is but one of our "actions"... one done is stillness and quite.Mehr anzeigen
"contemplate something" - that's not too bad, is it bros? but would you say "I contemplate a painting"???
would you "view" a painting? :(
"regard" a painting?
Kommentar von Trent Bromley | 08.07.2014
~ . . . I dunno . . .I'm contemplating :-)
@Florian and John: to experience does not necessarily include a view on things....
Marietta, for me contemplation has been an inward looking experience... revelation though contemplation, for me at least, may happen long after viewing or looking... But do understand what you mean... an active looking and thinking at the same time... this happens in all the arts... it is part of the art experience. Architecture makes one feel fully present in the moment, fully aware.
Kommentar von Josef Bischofs | 08.07.2014
My answer to this Question is a series of Images i took yesterday.
Kommentar von Claudia Núñez del Prado | 08.07.2014
Dear Florian...please another question of the week??? :-)
@Claudia Núnez del Prado thx for asking, One Month one Question! Promise!
Kommentar von emergency exit | 08.07.2014
Quiet's cool because it actually lets you hear noise from far away, albeit quietly. Whenever I hear the freight train that's a ha...lf mile away, that means it's about to rain. Lunchtime out front offers the happy cacophony of many children in a school yard, reverberating from on top of the other side of the valley. Hearing the constant flow of the Roosevelt Boulevard (US Rt. 1, twelve lanes of traffic also on top of the other side of the valley) at night when the windows are open really puts you to sleep.mQuiet's spectacular precisely because of the things it lets you hear otherwise.
Kommentar von Steven Ward | 08.07.2014
nice, eew. visual quietness (quietude?) works in a similar way, of course, because of the things it lets you see.
Kommentar von emergency exit ward | 08.07.2014
Steven, you'll have to provide some examples, because I don't fully agree with your 'of course' assessment. I can see what you say being true in terms of how a night sky completely devoid of man-made light litera...lly offers the universe, but there's also the joy of exercising focus while searching through a thousand puzzle pieces (all the stars) to find the ones you want (Mars, Jupiter, Saturn). Mars, Jupiter and Saturn are relatively easy to find on a clear night in the city (where you don't see all the stars), because, after the Moon and Venus, they are brighter than the rest of the heavenly bodies.
Kommentar von Christian Huss | 08.07.2014
Lieber Herr Stocker,
Stille in der architektur ist wenn das zu bauende
dann steht als ober es schon immer stand, schon
immer da war! Und schweigen, wenn es weder
bauherr noch architekt seines nennt.
Mit Grüßen aus Plochingen